Very risky, does one take the chance & say, risking the current relationship? Does one keep quiet & hope from afar, yet never make it down the aisle? Love can come out of friendship, but it can also destroy it of the other person does not feel the same way.

WHILE THEY WHILE AWAY THE HOURS
IN THEIR IVORY TOWERS,
YOU KNOW, I DO NOT PLAY THOSE GAMES NO MORE.

I would rather keep the relationship.

thrill of hide and seek, hard to get, musical chairs etc. You don't dare play hard to get because you might lose him while he is searching his heart! I would say just keep trying to help him find out what he wants and want he wants for his future and maybe he will come to his senses! You're a keeper! You're in my prayers sweetie!

.....I just basically keep my feelings to myself for the most part.

I'm so sick of that line I could scream!!!!!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I feel better

Well I was gonna say always the bridesmaid but never the bride....but thats not true...lol.

correctly that you haven't met in person yet?

avoid it > if he wants to play he's got to play serious> and also some ppl need drama to feel alive, run from that to.

We stay in the friend zone and rarley deviate from it. I don't fall for that bananna....thats why I keep it at arms length...as does he....DAMN DAMN DAMN....I just can't get over how I never ever thougth I would meet somebody who I would or could fall for again.

cam hours upon hours everyday. Simply chatting and laughing. Sigh....me thinks I'm an idiot..lol.

just looking for love like the rest of us.

i am the tieeruper and not the tiey. Is that right..... oil not so much. Food is pretty exciting buffet style....as far as a spanking

Its a matter of trust, friend. I don't see it as dominance just being fun. Kinda like being blind folded and feed fruit. The spanking different strokes for different folks. By the way MePlusU no comment about my new girlfriend ?!?!

Out of town right now. And my little phone does nt give me enough room to run my mouth refer too blog

so long as it's RACK (Risk Aware Consensual Kink).

I have been a Master in the past.

Stephen I expected more from you...................................

Handle the truth!

That does come in a varity of flavors now. Whip cream chocolate syrup. Yougart for those on a diet. L o L

and strawberries to add to the side? Yummy delicious! What?!

I would do anything for love...... but I wont do that.............. what wouldn't you do? Move travel except a bad habiit ect.

I would never intentionally insult you, i hope you know!

...a miss thing being thrown around and a few snaps here and there? lol

The first thing that comes to mind is if the person was involved with illegal activities, such as stealing, armed robbery, selling hard narcotics. If it had to do with just marijuania I could let that pass otherwise I would be a hypocrite and I have never been that.

One Partner of a couple is securely blindfolded, On Friday Night B4 supper. And must depend on the other for every thing till Sunday night..You will learn a lot about each other.

for somepeople this everyday life been there done that. Not for pleasure purposes

The mind tells us what they are. Only you know the answer.

Isn't that a commercial? lol

but if your brain is starved for blood ? the thing that's getting the blood does the thinking for you.

A major gallbladder attack was my date last night!

You'll be in my prayers!!!!

U better?

....I have an appointment with my surgeon for next week. I hope he says just to get rid it. Thank you so much for asking....

Kindergarten! Cute boy with red hair! Great kisser, as scared as I was, but right on the mouth!

You were that young? I assumed this was about more informed kissing rather than the more innocent but full-blown kiss. I did have that sort when I was a mere babe too.

10-11 year old kissing experience!!! Would ya if you could a? I don't think so!

to bad it is not illegal for all those 12 year old girls that are out getting pregnant!!!

illegal are adults. Kids only really consider the fun and good feelings. Nothing wrong with that. Now-a-days, education is what matters. I was young also when I had my firsts.. Nice thing is, she/they were educated and taught me a lot. When kids are educated then the fun times and good feelings increase. Nothing wrong with that. Same thing with us "adults" whom are nothing more than "older kids".

it seems to complete the connection/ circuit ,and its really nice the rest of the time too.

at that partuicular moment a little selfish maybe but I ll give you a nice kiss for all your hard work when we are done

When I started this thread what I meant was is a good kisser important to you or not. Some lovers in the past have really enjoyed it and others have simply said a good kiss is not important and we are not talking about a closed mouth kiss.

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heaven

very important! I've had those kisses where it's all wet, that turns me off. I love to get into kissing marathons. A good roll while kissing is also a Zen place to be. I agree, Kissing is an art. Sometimes the details of what goes into a kiss is important, other time you have the movie Sea Of Love moments when it's all just IN the Now. *BOOM*..No Thoughts, just Go!

I'm a big fan of being able to Kiss well in another area also..Mmmm...Nectar!!

I have known women that would not allow it. ????

I cannot stand when a man grabs me and sticks his tongue down my throat in an aggressive mannor I know that sometimes passion overwhelms people and their kissing becomes...rough. That actually turns me off.
I love a nice slow kisser. I have been told that I am an excellent kisser. Its all nice to hear. lol. Intimacy should be like a dance not a war!

with kisses, especially when making love. But thats probably not possible in a new relationship. We got to the point where we could finish together almost every time. Or the first three times,

....communicating with a kiss....I miss that kind of thing.

I've had lovers that really appreciate my Slower, Love Making, Passion in a Kiss. That grab it and shove the tongue in there; what is UP with that? Are thinking you're at a pond Fishing? You're kissing a beautiful woman whom you care about. That Mouth Bass lashing about isn't sexy...! Haha!

It's all about the slow pull in, close to you, softly using the hands and Strength to bring her closer. That's the masculine side that's good to show, Power in In Tenderness. Says a lot about a guy and his passionate side for what comes next...usually.

I like the harder kisses also, where you really get into it...and add some lip sucking (facial at this moment..); but always respectful to the Art of Kissing and conveying She's Special.

When you've been Kissed without it even being physical.

~Thanks~ ~a~ ~lot~ for that ~reply~.

I could go much deeper in my descriptions if desired... Heheh

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Its great to see other people talk about the passon of a good kiss and someoen else writing about how a good long 'kiss session' can be really good for just the moment. And I do believe its something that can develop in time in a relationship. Okay, I gotta say it, but I can see all you ladies jumping on me for this; I have had to teach a good amount of women the proper way to kiss and that it is something to savour. I will take a really good kissing session over a 'okay' time in bed any day of the week.

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I liked what you typed.. "I do believe its something that can develop in time in a relationship."

When 2 people don't have Resistance to the Moment and they're Aware of their Desires of what they've been wanting and Offering NO resistance to "Past Drama" or other people's Suggestions....it doesn't have to develop. It's There, Instant "Chemistry".

It's old...OLD....concept that "Love Takes Time"... No, it doesn't. YOU (generally) decide if it's good or not, if You are going to be Honest with Yourself then....the Other person needs to be there also. I've had those connections...they're very much real.

People need to stop putting their "old drama" on others. Or more to the point, people need to stop ALLOWING others to do that to them. It causes FEAR and Resistance to the Moment. So many don't Follow those Internal Nudges and WISH they had.

So, I like what you say...and in a lot of ways, Currently in the Minds of Many, it's true. That's a Mind Virus though.

Consider that. Let me know your thoughts.

when you see someone that you just HAVE to kiss right then and there and you can't take your eyes off of their lips and eyes. aye aye aye aye ayes!?

What I was referring to specifically was develop into being good kissers together. Everyone is different so I think compatibility in all areas needs to grow in the beginning of the relationship. All the times I really fell in love it always was a freight train coming at me, when my back was turned. Its never happened to me when I expected it to happen. People can share with me there thoughts but I have always found when I look for it I don't find it. And I mean real love, I have no problem going to the bar or whatever and taking someone home for the evening. But, that aint love. I think its awesome that some have been able to feel immediate connections when meeting someone. Thats never been me, but for whats its worth I can still count all the women I have REALLY loved on one hand. Peace To All Eddie P.S. Where the hell is Stephen66, come out old man.

the blogs best, he said!

Ahhh,,,yes Mr. English that knows all and tells all , wait that might be dangerous. Time for another Guiness Obi One Knobim !! Bottoms Up Oh, damn did I say that ?? Dont spank me Merryl, and by the way where have you been young lady, come out and play, we miss you.

Well, now shall we talk about voyuersim....hmmm, where is that video cam

I think you have said it yourself. You are not doing yourself or her any favours. We always have options, just not always the ones we want. Your self-respect is suffering in thinking you cannot find someone who is worthy of you & you worthy to them. It seems like this girl may also have issues with her self-respect too.

There are so many problems with this it would take a month to say it. At the end of the day if you wish to improve yourself you have to consider ending this, for her sake as well as yours.

You can find someone you love, who will love you. Where you are both attracted & compatible. Sex is something we do when we fant a cheap thrill, you are not even getting that. Try being friends with this lady, give her the respect you want but feel you do not have or deserve. When we show others respect we often get it back.

Thanks for the advice.

I ended it with her. Now I can feel better about myself and make strides toward finding someone I'm truly compatible with.

That is good news, for both of you. You can move forward now & deserve to.

Sex for sex sake is an empty and lonely kinda thing, me thinks....better to find a companion who can share ur life with u.

To what you typed. I don't really like the label "disability" so I'm going to use "challenges" here because Disability is actually has negative meanings. I have ...several challenges... A mental compass that doesn't function...So I don't drive any more. Strong dyslexia, which also effects the compass, color blind...effects everything except primary colors..or solid colors, and more...that aren't needed to go into.

I was....and at times I find myself in your situation. IS There A Truly Understanding Woman out There? I tried the FWB thing..but none of the connections were really good. Mostly it was about sex, but the sex was never "cheap". I have the ability, or strength to touch a Woman's Being and so there's a Bond when Intimacy happens, but otherwise it isn't there...not really.

I've where I have challenges my strengths are that of Knowing Lies or Self-Deception of the person I'm talking to.. I have 1 good eye, and the other...near blind. Legally it is blind. I know how to read energy, vibrations in voices..USUALLY do it very keenly. I also have Aspburgers...which plays havic with social situations. One on one, when things are quiet I do much better...the noise is out of the picture. Per say....

I'm very much about Self-Help....Like Bruce Lee way before Self-Help was popular. I'm also a HUGE lover of The Universe, and our Connection to Being/Source. Most think the Universe doesn't listen, but it does...or "God" if you prefer. Knowing Yourself, Deeply... In-To-Me-I-See, is Paramount Important. Being Selfish is not a bad things when you Know how You Are.
Don't look at being Single for Years as a BAD thing. It can take a while, if you've lost Your Connection to You or Didn't realize there IS one. I agree that She's Disconnected (not really..but you get the idea..) from Her also, and Sees someone Wonderful in You. We always see reflected Back at Us what's inside Us. If we Like it, that's something to Embrace. If we don't like it, we need to discover it, go through it, and then let it go.

I'm no longer having and FWB. I want something More than That. Which is where you are. May I suggest something I Don't think you've tried?

Write down, often, what it is you WANT. Daily, weekly, whatever you're comfortable with. As you do, Fine-Tune what you Want. Hair color, Eye color, constant Eye to Eye contact, less Eye contact... Freckles, None.. Built in detail, whatever detail you like the Outter AND Inner Her. Make sure the detail for Inside is also CLEAR. Pay attention to what Thoughts Feel GOOD to you. Keep increasing them...by fine-tuning. Now.. As you start getting closer to what you Want her to Be..inside and out....take her With You whereever you go! Even if you're Home alone, or out with friends. ...Just don't TALK to her outloud...hahaha...!!
You'll start to be more Receptive to what you're Creatiing. You'll start getting Nudges to follow. After a bit, you'll meet someone...online or in person...Or both. Don't be afraid to let her go for what's Before you.

See what I'm talking about? DON'T STOP Until you have Confirmation of what's Before you...no matter How Long it May Take.. How long depends on your Diligence.

You're using Law Of Attraction and the Art of Allowing when you follow this. Keep with it... You'll get what you WANT...because you're NOT LOOKING anymore, you're WANTING.

Looking keeps it from coming. WANTING bring her to You. Which gets you to HAVING her In your Life.

It can be tough...when you first start. You'll start making Friends...and that's a Wonderful Foundation. That's where I Am... Building the Foundations of Friendships for something Stronger. Just....Don't....You will Draw In that Special Person in Ways you never expected.

Life always Delivers. No such thing as Luck when you Understand how the Laws work.

It's ~some times~ tough to be Honest from Within to Outward to share with others. Bruce Lee knew that well. Always expressing from your Essence/Being..that's the clue to real motivation in friendships and relationships. Now, ..c'mon, Counterpart...I'm here... Open Arms.

Hehehe.. Until then, keeping it Positive and Open Hearted.


The most endangered species,
The honest man,
Will still survive annihilation.
Forming a world
State of integrity,
Sensitive, open and strong.

getting your feelings hurt too easily or you get too angry whereas not expressive enough could mean you don't show that you love someone enough?

Smiley is probably right. Good analysis Smiley Perhaps the next time someone says one of these things to you, ask them to explain what they mean...altho I realize that may not be an easy thing to do. It could be a good learning experience for you. Just a thought.

READ OUR MINDS!!!! Am I right, girls?

Ladies thanks for the advice. But the 'reading minds' comment opens a whole new can of worms. Why is it you want us to know something without being told and we don't figure it out you get UPSET. But if we don't say something, its because we 'don't communicate' Peace Eddie.

"If you don't know me well enough by now....."

I've never said that, what I say is "Having common sense would tell you.........) Mean and vicious? Which one is worse? Guys? Pray tell.

but then you would have to read my mind to know that! lol

It definitely would make communication easier! But sorry, I like that male tushy!

I can never get enough of the whole package. Being direct (brutally honest) that is best but not to many people practice that. The regular thing is to dance around it and think the other person should just 'get it'...wrong

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Never did believe in it myself! Disgusting! Do unto others, as you would have others, do unto you!

As in the body, the physique, and the curves that go on forever, and forever, and forever

you're too busy looking at our forums!!

Have you heard the phrase... "Common Sense Isn't So Common Anymore."?? I believe that's true. Common Sense is also a judgment call. How often do you hear, "Never judge a book by its cover."??

Most people are very different, even though we share a lot of same stuff. So, we shouldn't "ASSUME" much of someone until We Know them ~Very well~ or they know ~Us~ the same. My mother and I are very close. I can speak for her. We have had very deep conversations all of my life...now it's more humor than anything else because the Depth is Understood. Not so for most people. Most people are Surface...communicators.

What Women Want is an AWESOME Movie! So..Common Sense... No So Common. I see it when I go out to eat... I see it when out with friends... People do a mega amount of "Assuming" and "Judgment" from their OWN perspectives and not Considering others. This is what I see a lot anyway...I Always look for the Good in Everyone, Every situation even the Grumpy, haha.

Direct Communication takes the "Guess Work" or "Assumption" out of it. Until you KNOW someone ~Really Well~ with the factor of Change being involved...yeah, Direct is better.

after the marriage vows are said! In the case mentioned, it seemed that any direct communication that we had when dating, went right out the window, the day after the wedding! After that were years of grunting and one way conversations! i could never figure out what went wrong! After we separated, the lines of communication were fine again, until the judge came into play! But your theory is a wonderful one! If we can just find the right person for us!

How well Deep did you Really Get in your conversations with each other? Co-Creation is not something most people are taught about which is part of my I'm Single. Haha! I don't just want the Grunts and One way conversations. Seems You were ready for what He wasn't.
That's the part where people have to Ask the Really Deep...and Honest questions, spend a LOT of time together, BUT...---> What most miss is...Time Apart. What do/did your friends ~REALLY~ think of him? They, as Long as __HONEST_ without any Bull thrown in, are a great indicator of how things are going.

My "Challenges" scare women.....More than that...my Depth freaks them out. I'd rather have the majority run away and leave the Gems to get to know. It makes ~real~ Loneliness~ at times, not having a companion right now, but at least I Know my conversations are Pure, No Deceptions, No Grunting answers (hehe) and no Cheating. Meanwhile, I keep the Woman I want beside my Virtual Side (as typed about in a previuos message) and continue developing ~High Gold Quality Friends~ and I never disconnect from Source...which delivers anything and everything we want. So...she's on the way.

When you view it that way, with the depth...He'll be on Your Way as well. Your Husband there, isn't in Vibration with you. A True Co-Creative Relationship, and I've had it Once, doesn't require a lot of "Work"...they person ~Flows~ with You....and Communicates Affection daily...in some way.

What I'm talking about is not fantasy...but Possibility.

Please...check out what I type...put it to your test. Share your views.

The relationship that you speak of, I have never seen in action. I love the way your words flow. Life just always seemed to get in the way and there was never time to have conversation. (He worked nights) To me, nighttime was the best talks of all, nonverbal and verbal! To lay there and it is just the two of you, no interruptions, lights down low. romantic, etc. It is not condusive for arguments and grunts! Just laying your heart and soul out there! I guess that can be simulated anytime of day, in any place, I just haven't had the pleasure! Thanks for the poetic words of wisdom!

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"There is no freedom but freedom from our preconceptions."
but > when you are in love and focused totally on the others needs, ? we have to teach each the other, communication

we don't understand ourselves! Expressions say everything! Just gotta learn to read em! Goes both ways, we know!

the 'reading our minds' comment was abit o' sarcasm...a joke about how some women are not good communicators and actually act as if someone can mind read. Sorry for the miscommunication.

I think it does all get comical in its complication, don't ya think? Though it isn't funny when it is all happening! I think this conversation is getting confusing!

Im' told that all the time. People used to think I was emotionless. Laughing and Crying are two things I can't seem to do. I don't smile much, and physically my emotions are not present, but give me a papr and pencil and I can be as expressive as most people, and my tearless face can express itself on paper. Thats why writing is my main outlet of expressions.

Each person has a different perspective. I was on a rare date recently where all the emails said Strong Affection is a very good thing. I said, "I am always Me. I never pretend to be a Mask." She said Good.

We met...I was touchy feely, she smiled a lot...even got 2 kisses from the date.

Later in the evening I wrote her and expressed that I had a Fantastic time. I loved her smiles and conversation. I got a reply back talking about being too aggressive. I saw NO indicators of this. Then again I have problems reading social cues at times. However, lots of smiles and her even touching my hands...Everything seemed Good.

So, it depends on fears and perspectives. It may not be You in a given situation.

Go back over you meetings..make sure you play it back in slow motion. Hehe.

Perspectives Matter. Not just yours.